So am I wrong to be disturbed by this?
Posted by Banana Stein on April 16th, 2007
Yxes and I have for months - and I do mean months - been throwing little small parties on Monday night at 6 pm SLT. And once a month we throw a big one. We have been doing this since our time on Podcast Island, then in Bbang and now on Los Arboles. That is since June 2006.
So it suprises me when I see events posted at the same time from my friends - or people that claim to be friends.
I have made it a point NOT to move my events into slots that may compete with my friends. And we only hold one two hour event per week. And it is not like I am posting parties every day. And if my math is correct, then there are another 166 hours per week.
Hell, some one could do one before and after….
So am I wrong to be disturbed by this?
Are they really my friends?
April 16th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
Banana - you have every right to feel some angst. The podcasting community has greatly expanded over the past few months. I’m sure I am not the only one who feels the segregation beginning. It’s sad. I don’t want it to be that way. We are all family…I’m sure as a community we can work it out!
Personally, I have conflict because I am committed to SoHo/PodShow as Staff so there will be time I can’t attend other functions due to overlapping. I do my best tho.
I’ve been wishing for months that we could have a group across all our SIMs to post up even announcements…as a community - rather then having to be a member of 10+ groups all in the same genre, but before that can happen, we all need to agree on schedules.
Is it wrong of me to think we can all come together and work towards a community? If not for the owners & staff of these islands, at least for the friends and performers.
We are all friends. :)
April 16th, 2007 at 9:21 pm
I’m with you, Banana! I feel like I’ve been lied to, played, “not included” and dissed to the max!
It’s really sad to think that we worked so hard to create a considerate and helpful community, to just get ignored, or worse. What is wrong with communicating together and planning things that we can all support, enjoy and not get into stupid “mind games”! I’m sorry, Banana, to just ‘blow my top’ right now…but I feel totally disturbed by the actions of the “planners” at SoHo! I had promises made to me, and now they are totally broken!! What else CAN we think at this time????
Bring it!
April 16th, 2007 at 9:41 pm
Whoa…. Banana & Yxes. Before we all jump to conclusions please understand any promises made were not made by me. And our residents have a large part to do with the events we have. We would love to work with you as to avoid conflict and support each other. Please IM me and we can work out. If we would rather air our differences here then do not expect me to make things worse by doing so. IM me, all can be worked out.
April 16th, 2007 at 9:59 pm
why would it be worse?
All I asked was “So am I wrong to be disturbed by this?” and “Are they really my friends?”
April 16th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Okay - didn’t mean to stir the pot here…just voicing my thoughts. Had no idea where the irritation was being directed, now I see that I may have been involved unknowingly.
Banana -if this is in regards to a notice I sent out for an impromptu party this evening, then I hope you understand that the residents of SoHo are welcome to host an event any day/time they choose, being a staff member I facilitate the notifications.
I hope that you and MB and maybe the other big heads (Pickle, Bucket, Andrea) can all get together and work it out so there are minimal conflicts.
:)
April 17th, 2007 at 4:29 am
it would appear that the podcasting community, which consists of those who “cast” and those who listen [the group that I fall in], has grown to the point where there are cliques and competition, rather than cohesion and collaboration. Did it start with the islands? Did it start when the community reached a tipping point?
*shrugs* I don’t know. Does it make a difference how it happened?
There is no way that I can listen to all my friends natter, even when I want to, nor is there any way that I can go to all the events anymore. And there are many folks who are active in the podcasting community who are not on my friends list or even my SLBuzz or SLProfiles contact list. IMNSHO, FWIIW, the podcasters are stronger staying united and planning as a group and keeping the fanbase together rather than fragmenting us between the different podcasting groups.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:34 am
Lincoln once said: “I destroy my enemy when I make them my friend.”
He also got a bullet in the back of his head.
Diva sent that note out for me.
Gomem had a Castle Party scheduled for Monday night. It was on the SoHo calendar since the start of April, I believe, and I think it would have been the usual cozy Gomen variety of music, Podmafia and others, not the gigantic (pre and post natal) crowd at Friday the 13th @ Docks.
I got word about 40 minutes before start time that his rig got smoked somehow.
My original thought was “Cancel” and you’ll see the post-it note I stuck on his castle in the snapshots.
However, while I was settling in to watch the Astros game (QUALLS!) with Charles Chapman going on the box as I sat in the RL jasmine patio, Rocky from Compound Smith volunteered to practice his deejaying skills.
I’ve been wanting to see what he’d come up with, since with ForeFront Media I’m supposed to be herding deejays or filling in holes or something.
Aside from myself, the attendees were not what you’d consider Open Mike regulars.
And I would likely not have attended your O.M., since Miss Lee’s not entirely my taste in music, and as I said before - Astros (QUAAAAAAAALLS!) But still, it does make sense to give people OPTIONS… it wasn’t as if SoHo had a live performer stacked against a live performer. (Although with Gomem, he’s not just your silent spinner).
I am a firm believer in free-market capitalism and competition: make your product and let the consumer naturally determine what works and what doesn’t.
That’s also pretty damn cold and heartless, and a line from “Spirit of Radio” is one of my mantras: “All this machinery making modern music can still be open-hearted.”
But I also believe there needs to be a meeting of the various podcaster cliques/sub-groups/franchises/families/dojos/whatevers sooner rather than later to make an attempt to coordinate schedules, because there is strength in cohesion. Otherwise, this shit will spin out of control, folks from one group will feel uncomfortable showing at events held by another, the millions of future SL residents will see a bunch of bickering and squabbling cyberdolls instead of a thriving virtual community, and nobody will benefit.
Just off the top of my head:
Pickle - Apps development/Strong Community Website
Banana/Yxes/Rich - Performers/Theme Parties/Corporate Development
Nowhereville - Theme Parties/Gameshows
Dedric - Strong Apps Development
SoHo/Podshow - Performers/Art/Deejay/Strong Community Website
CC/Crayon/Dirty/Purplestripe - Podshow/Corporate Development/Music
And there’s a hell of a lot more out there, growing by the minute. If I left anybody out, well, toss me a note because I’d be pleased as hell to meet you.
Oh, and before anybody screams “ForeFront Media” or “SoHo Tool” - my loyalty is ultimately to the greater whole.
Tonight, two events are head-to-head again: SoHo’s/Matzohenge’s Night Of Crap and Gary/P-Dilly’s podcast/skypecast/talkshoe thing. In order to allow podcasters to attend both if they want to, I’m going to slide NOC back until Gary’s thing is over.
No, Gary did not ask me to do this. I’ve offered to do this, and I’m going to do this to show everyone that I’m willing to do my part in resolving the conflict. But I think that in the future, overlap and conflict is inevitable, so there must be dialogue and coordination so at least the overlap offers a wide variety of selections in different formats that invite in more people to participate than attempt to divide up the same core audience.
(Plus, I want to hear that show and maybe call in, eh.)
Friday, there’s a 4/20 party at SoHo scheduled opposite Nowhereville’s… what theme is it, Buckets? If it’s one of those cool Salsa music parties, well, that’s two different styles of music and dancing (or consumption)… is that really head-to-head competition or offering up two welcome mats of different textures for the SL community as a whole?
That’s all from me.
/drama off
April 17th, 2007 at 6:52 am
Thank you for breaking the ice Banana…
I agree that there seems to be come rather strong animosity between some of the heads out there. I have heard it from friends, island heads, and others alike for months now. In fact, it’s gotten to the point where people feel they need to take sides. Community is being broken for an attitude of “we are much more important than all that now.” Feelings have been hurt. This has been the case across the board. As a person who frequents many of the events, it’s sad not to see people intermingling anymore. I know each island has it’s own things going on, and that’s great! Each is a growing and thriving community, and there are commitments that each require. There is going to be an overlap of schedules no matter what. But there is A LOT more going on than just that.
I love all you guys and wish that whatever skiff seems to have developed is addressed, and DIRECTLY with each other. Personally, I’m tired of having my friends divided.
April 17th, 2007 at 7:21 am
I KNEW there was a reason that I was so enamoured of you, Ed Radio! :P
well said
April 17th, 2007 at 7:51 am
O,O
April 17th, 2007 at 8:16 am
Has anyone contacted the so called guilty party to see if they were even aware of the conflict?
Diva, we made a cross sim activity or event board.I believe Itazura told people about it , but no one was interested in using it. Thus it has fallen by the way side.
Thank You Crap for moving your show time, I was not aware their was a time conflict until you told me you changed it.
I am probably guilty of having some animosity toward a certain group, but that is a personal issue, and not across the board. I do rent spaces from other islands like Podshow, and Bucket. I have asked Banana too, but they did not have any spaces. Please do not confuse my personal issues with an individual, for across the board issues with podcast groups or islands. Let me say now I am in favor of more podcast related island. I wil also rent from them to show support.
I personally don’t really show up at events on other islands, but I don’t show up for many events in general. I say that so people don’t confuse my not showing up for anything other than just not being there.
April 17th, 2007 at 8:56 am
Is this thing on???
I have experience with this as a Second Life Instructor, and what we do at my school is that you are not to run a class concurrent with another instructor’s class, and everything gets listed not just her on da’ Buzz, but on Second Life Events which makes it a lot easier for people to see what else is happening.
Of course, I may be off the mark, and this is really about something over my head. ;-)
April 17th, 2007 at 9:24 am
as stated by Crap:
“But I also believe there needs to be a meeting of the various podcaster cliques/sub-groups/franchises/families/dojos/whatevers sooner rather than later to make an attempt to coordinate schedules, because there is strength in cohesion. Otherwise, this shit will spin out of control, folks from one group will feel uncomfortable showing at events held by another, the millions of future SL residents will see a bunch of bickering and squabbling cyberdolls instead of a thriving virtual community, and nobody will benefit.”
As a semi-long memeber of the SL podcast community - shite most of us came in when AC started yapping - there had been an understanding that established times had been taken by certain podcaster and that in order to support the podcast community, we would all avoid holding conflicting events. This original agreement was made by the OoO, Bucket, PB&J and GBAffair. And for the most part it worked.
Now I am seeing conflicting events.
So all I am trying to do is have a public discussion about this…. are we friends? are we competitors (yes I am a free-market capitalist (lol — in case someone didn’t know that))…
if there is going to be competition, that is fine. But shouldn’t people in the podcast community be aware that scheduling conflicting events leads to divisions….
Maybe I am asking everyone to think before they post an event.. And only one event per week should be considered “their time”
Happy Tuesday all :) — damn it, I hear my corporate masters screaming my name…..
April 17th, 2007 at 9:54 am
For one, I don’t appreciate being brought into this debate without my knowledge. And I’ll say that up front. Since it’s been done and our name is being thrown around, well…. here I am.
You want to know why there’s animosity? I don’t feel the need to dance around. I have been called a thief, I have been talked about, and I have been slandered. If you have to ask if it was you who said it, then it wasn’t. But chances are someone reading here did. Ever since we set up the island I have put up with this.
We made the decision to join forces with Los Arboles because we knew that they share the sense of community we do. We continue to discuss events and discuss future event planning together. We support each other. We show up and ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE in each other’s events. And I know some of you do the same as well. But to be dreadfully honest, some of you don’t. Some of us will show up at an event, be silent to the point of rudeness and then leave. Some of us will only show up at an event when we are serving our own interests. To the point where some of us only appear on each other’s islands to gather information. And if we’re all being honest here, some of us come to each other’s events and are deliberately rude.
Now, I believe strongly in a sense of community. I believe in working together to create something bigger. I believe that the pigeonholes Crap listed above are too limiting and not indicative of what we are and what we are becoming…. Not for any of us. I believe that we’re either working together or we aren’t. And I don’t believe that it is my job to extend an olive branch to an unwilling party. Los Arboles and Nowhereville are connected and function as a community. Woodbridge is connected now too. Soho and Podshow have connected. If you want to play as a community, the answer is not to say “IM me and we’ll talk.” Community-minded people will take the initiative. And if a community-minded individual has ceased to take the initiative (as I admittedly have), perhaps there is a reason behind that.
As for event scheduling, I honestly do not have a strong opinion. I understand what Banana and Yxes are saying and I appreciate why they feel that way. I also know that Nowhereville holds too many different events not to get scheduled over and so it’s all good, whatever. In fact, when doing community planning with Los Arboles, I have said in no uncertain terms that I really only ask that they not step on our Friday night events and our new concert series which should be running on Saturday afternoons from here on out.
I have issues with very little, believe it or not. In my Second Life, I believe I don’t need to get all tied up in this silly drama. Call me a snob, a thief, or even a ^&*(^&(&*)… whatever. This is who I am. If you want to play together and you don’t think we are, say something. But otherwise, leave me out of it. And if you want to talk about me either positively or negatively, be brave enough to say it to my face.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:55 am
As far as Bela’s comments, I’d like to address those separately. If she and other listeners are feeling that kind of division, then I would submit to you that we are all FAILING. Myself included. Would you rather backstab amongst ourselves, or try to make sure no one else has that same kind of feeling?
I know where I stand. Where are you?
April 17th, 2007 at 10:22 am
“I believe that the pigeonholes Crap listed above are too limiting and not indicative of what we are and what we are becoming…. Not for any of us. I believe that we’re either working together or we aren’t.”
I wouldn’t call them pigeonholes, but the current strengths of each community/major residents as I’ve perceived them. When I think of Location X, the first thing I think of is Y.
As renters shift about and the core personalities learn new things, other skills and strengths build up.
Yes, my appearance at the Friday parties has been both for entertainment and to study various styles of deejaying, but for my *own* attempts to deejay. Live bumpers vs. Pre-recorded bumpers, fades… I’ve been hitting venues all over and taking notes.
But in the end, it’s the avant-garde/breaking-the-mold/shock events of Tuesdays that I find the most interesting. And I won’t use what I’m learning to throw something out on Friday to kill something I’d rather attend and enjoy, because y’all make for an excellent gateway to the weekend.
And if my appearance at any venue without saying anything is seen as rude, well, I’m probably just outside on the patio, reading a book to the music or doing sit-ups and pushups as I try to get down to 175#.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:50 am
This has gotten way off base. Crap, I wasn’t slamming you in any way shape or form. Merely saying that the strengths you listed are very narrow, which I suppose they would be if they are drawn from your first impressions. Also, as I said, if you have to wonder if those statements apply to you, they don’t. I have never known you to be rude at a gathering of anyone’s, least of all ours.
I am finding it interesting that this one blog post has flushed out so much tension on all sides here. We are now debating things that really are not addressed in the original post. Not that that’s negative, just an acknowledgement that we have all, myself included, veered off the track of what Banana was trying to say.
Summary? Crap = not rude. Sorry so long winded.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:47 am
@Tamara: So are you suggesting the formation of a Knights of the Virtually Round Table?
(why am I writing this like a Twitter post?!?!)
I’m just going to speak my mind here, and try not to offend those I consider my friends in SL. I’m sorry if I accidentally do.
I’m really a lousy person to talk about this, since I spend less than 5 hrs. a week in Second Life now, due to real-life commitments. But I feel I need to say something, because I want the little bit of time I spend in SL to be time with friends, and I also feel those fractured feelings causing problems in our community.
We need to decide whether we’re all in this for the podcasting community aspect in Second Life, or are we looking to recoup some of our investment in virtual land that we bought?
The way I see it: If we bought an island and truly want it to be part of the “community” as a whole, then we’d have no concerns over who rents properties on our island.
We’d have no concern who leases storefronts, and the respective traffic rating of those places would not matter.
We’d have no care who hosts/performs on our locations, just as long as we are welcoming to everyone and cross-promote everyone else’s events.
But, in reality, we all charge lindens to our renters/leasers to recoup our own individual tier fees/island costs in some aspect and/or use our lands to promote our real-life podcasts with visual ads/branding. We hold events that help us cover some costs. And we also throw around free Lindens to entice people to come on over to our properties.
This aspect, however necessary or not, makes the “podcasting community in SL” less of a community, and more of a fractured group of businesses — each wanting to hold on to their market share. And as with any business, competition tends to trump any efforts at cooperation in the long run. We all want to have the best gathering locations and best stores/builders. We all want to have the best game shows, events and party hosts. And to have those things in the USA evening prime-time of 3 p.m. - 8 p.m.
Personally, if we all wanted “community”, then we all would have talked and pushed our sims/islands together into a new podcast “continent.” And we all could have aided the podcast promotion and push in SL. I’m thinking it’s not too late to think about this, if we all TRULY want “community.”
Tamara, if you want to help organize a sit-down between all of us islanders/sim owners, I would welcome it. (provide cookies and I’ll be there) It’s overdue.
I’m hoping I did not start any flame war with this … I have a fire extinguisher at the ready just in case.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:02 pm
Oh, and Banana, I totally agree with the events-before-and-after thing. Make it like a virtual pub crawl from sim to sim. I’d dig that.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
I think it goes without saying that we all want the community back in some form. I personally don’t see the whole competition angle, nor feel this is a scheduling problem. While I don’t know all the details… nor need them, it almost seems as though some little things have grown out of proportion. Trust and friendship has been replaced by suspicion and anger. This boils down to miscommunication, hurt feelings, and being too stubborn to talk. All of a sudden anything done or not done is taken as malice. All parties feel like a victim here, and it’s unfortunate that this has festered as long as it has.
I too would be more than willing to provide a place for everyone to meet and rationally discuss this whole thing. I hope some of this is already happening. But in the end, friendships are only as strong as the willingness to preserve them. Are YOU willing?
April 17th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
@Corey Akula You made some great points. I am not sure I would want to connect with another sim, not that I was ever asked to. But, it is something to consider if the opportunity ever came up.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
One key thing to remember here is that aside from Podcast Pickle here and possibly Podshow Island, none of these places were created for other podcasters. While I agree that a sense of community is an honorable thing, obviously, just because we don’t all pander to podcasters doesn’t mean we are attempting to divide people or diss our friends.
Again, let me say that I do believe in a sense of community and all the lovely fuzzy hand-holding that we would do together while skipping down the lane as one big happy family. (I’ve been stuck in manager classes, forgive me. ;) ) But most of us have created our spots with the intention of finding fresh faces and new audiences.
I will use our island as an example. Our Spot Matrix games happen to be scheduled over podcaster meetups on Podcast Island. I have heard and understood the concern, but have you heard and understood my answer? I love that podcasters want to come and make friends and support us. And I do not discourage that in any way. But my goal with the Spot Matrix games is to bring in new people to the island and expose them to our show. That is a very different goal than the podcaster meetups. So I don’t see how having the two at the same time is a conflict in any way. I am not holding games at the same time as the meetups to be mean and nasty. It is just a different event with a different goal.
We can do these things and still be fluffy bunnies together in the forests of SL. What we can’t do is cease to treat each other with respect and kindness. That is my point.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
Just remember, it’s all good.
There are things in your life that make it what it should be.
When you’re misunderstood
Just turn to the people that help you feel good.
:)
I’ve been away so much lately I’ve missed some of the issues that are discussed here. But I know that things will continue to grow as the community does. Eventually I think that we’re going to see over-run. Only because there are so many people, so many events… and only so many nights/times to hold them.
I already step on many of my music community friends events by participating in the open-mic night at Los Arboles. But — with the width and scope of that communinty it is almost inevitable.
This is a situation where it goes beyond the podcaster community into the music community (fade in the disc jockey community, cut to the gaming community, etc.). Many of my music friends are also playing shows the same time I do. I know that some people listen to them as well as me. Ultimately, people have to make the choice about what is available and who they want to spend time with at that moment. I hope that if they choose another they’ll try to make my next event… or some of my events… or, what the heck… any of my events.
It’s going to be a challenge folks. We’ll get through it. And, I agree… we should try to honor those established schedules and try not to compete with like events when our long established friends are doing something already on the schedule. It’s just part of the honor system. Obviously, the more frequently another steps on established schedules, the more strained the relationship will become. Most of us (not all?) are wise enough to know how to do “the right thing” for the right reasons.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
I like the idea of a podcaster summit. If you need the help of a non-podcaster, just an avid listener, let me know.
At the end of the day, the question is: are you creating separate and distinct brands or one united brand?
April 17th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
interesting, somehow this all ends up being about podcasting? Competition? and community? Everyone picks a “bad guy” to point a virtual finger at? I’ve been and am still a part of many communoties in Sl, not all of them tied to podcasting. Suddenly everyone wants to tie this to podcasting? SL has over 5.6 MILLION residents! Residents from around the world, not just podcasters - there are painters, writers, coders, physicists, porn stars, house wives, house husbands, lawyers - really the list goes on and on. Sure, when i’m not hard at work I may see a podcaster or two at a SoHo event, but i’m more likely to see a dozen faces that are so new to SL that they are still rockin slider hair and they just spent the last three days trying to get thier body in a semi-natural state. They may have found thier way to an event because they were browsing paintings by a resident and wondered what all the blips were on the map.
The only event that I attended last week was the birthday of one of my neighbors on the is’and. It was a lot of fun, we all laughed and danced as we ate some of the best cake I’ve had in SL in a long time. Just like other islands, SoHo offers all of it’s facilities to the island’s residents and many members of the creative community plan sponser and promote thier events and the island owners actually take the time to help in any way they can. I feel that on it’s own is awesome, wouldn’t you agree? Can you think of something that is more community building than helping your neighbor and showing up to show that you actually do care?
it seems that people forget that this is SL, remember how you used to have fun?
April 17th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
ah …..
let me see if I can follow your logic Bryon.
so when FRIEND (regardless of the sim) throws an event at the same time as me, it should NOT bother me…..
That was my original question.
Most of my original friends were from the podcast community and they are the most active on SL Buzz, so of course this particular entery turns into a discussion about the podcasting community. And the people crossing events are podcasters.
I was just trying to see if there was any more community of podcasting at large in SL and if the concept of specifc event days and times were still on. Looks like that concept is dead.
But if I am hearing that island promotion / events take priority to friends, then I say, ok… just as long as I know. It is not about friendship.
I think it is time to unwrap my promotional machine I got for Christmas…. lol — it is a beauty…. now where did I put those keys?
lol — to much fun here (yes I was suprised about the reaction this little entry got)
I think my next one will go after plaid haters
April 17th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Tam - If you leave SL, can I have your wardrobe?
April 17th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
I call dibs on Tam’s Pastie collection!!
Anyways - I’m having a party tomorrow, and NO I did not consider anyone’s schedules but my own. I really don’t care if anyone comes or not…I don’t need to compete for attendees - it’s just and excuse for me & Kat to tramp around in frilly underwear. :P
I’ll be DJing on Thurs too, as usual - but over at Will’s new pub in SoHo. Again, no competition…
I really do hope that we can all work towards building a larger community…and not just of pocasters & podconsumers…but of friends….because we are and have been for a long time.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:20 am
Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech…. hold the phone
What did I miss, where did this all come from?
Oh well I guess I need to start paying more attention….see you all Friday
April 18th, 2007 at 8:03 am
Banana, you are not alone. I will still be your friend. I don’t have any plaid clothing at all
April 18th, 2007 at 8:12 am
I’m sure that if people made it a point to coordinate with EVERYBODY before scheduling something big all parties would do their best to schedule around the event and maybe even work out some cross promotion. Podcasters have banned together and helped each other out long before we got involved in SL. But I understand that some folks have had their feathers ruffled and make no effort to work with each other, heck they don’t even say hi anymore. I know for a fact that larger events are planned far in advance, at least a month.
Additionally, one would think that anyone that manages a sim would understand the amount of time involved in doing so. What once was play can start to become work and even if you are not inworld it still seems that you are on call. I respond to many IM’s via email when i’m not around. I never feel offended in RL when a friend can’t stop by and drink a beer in the garage because they got called in to work. When i take a break you can usually see me flying around a friends sim. I’m not doing it to spy, I am interested in what others have been doing and what they have created.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:43 am
I’m still going to stay friends w/those who are my friends. But now, I’ll just be looking over my shoulder wondering from where the next salvo will come. Fucking hell.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:50 am
i think a lot of things are going on here. one thing i think is important to realize that there are a LOT of podcasters now, and a lot of listeners. it’s not just one or two or even twenty big names. and that’s good. the ability to always coordinate everything with every single person who’s going to get bent out of shape is probably gone because of it. but so what? look at any thriving “industry” or “community” and you have sub-groups, and people drifting between then as they wish.
i personally understand the desire to not have schedule conflicts, but because of the fact that people have crazy schedules, and certain people are interested in certain events or they are targeted at certain people (aka, bringing in new people or listeners, not just the same “old crowd”), schedule conflicts will happen.
it’s great that i see people like crap making an effort not to conflict with a new live podcast on podcast island, etc, and i hope that continues. personally i think people need to realize times change and that it’s okay, even healthy. if you really want the podcast community to stay a tiny group that can actually only hold enough events that they can coordinate them all, you are selfishly asking for the death of podcasting and its presence in sl. that’s putting personal goals above podcasting community goals, and it doesn’t help podcasting at all.
also the idea that each group can only have one time slot per week that’s really “theirs” is asking for them not to grow and take off. again, selfish.
i realize i don’t know most of the people involved, and you don’t know me. that’s my point. that’s the beauty of the podcasting community, it’s huge. let it flow out and expand. let there be multiple things happening as they can best be scheduled, and let people move between the groups and the events. if the humility and the giving attitude is in place, instead of the desire to be offended and have NO other events EVER conflict, it will be a good thing, not a problem.
or you can try to stop the inevitable by getting angry, and losing your own ability to contribute productively.
April 18th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Radar -
There were a lot of reasons for me sliding it last night. Heck, all cards on the table time:
- RL company had a meetup of Dallas and Houston offices. My shift offered to stay behind to hold the fort. Left work late, not sure if I’d get home in time.
- A few folks wanting to participate in NOC don’t get off work until late (SmittyGal, for instance), and I wanted to see who’d show up to a later event
- I wanted to check out Pickle’s radio show myself. I like the TIPD show, thought a similar thing for SL would be neat. And it is, but TalkShoe can be such a pain in the ass.
- I wanted to see who’s in his audience to see if there’s anyone who would want to do *both* but would have to choose between one or the other.
Along with all the public and private comments and discussions on this icebreaker of a post, Chug’s take on this whole thread really set things in perspective.
However, after the experiment, I found I could listen along while getting a few things coded and written for the NOC (I swear I’m going to get the Talking Abraham Lincoln painting working by Saturday), so someone who really, truly wants to do both can tune into both when the music or audio is not a critical part of the NOC Experience.
I may just slide NOC back an hour again anyway… more folks were able to make it this time, and next week it’ll give folks an extra hour to grab an airship and get practice for…
Glad I tuned in. Is this archived and podcasted?
-ls/cm
April 18th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
chug is pretty smart. and she’s a podcaster now too :) lol
April 19th, 2007 at 4:57 am
Okay, why don’t we have a quick summary and be done with this nonsense? Because honestly, none of us are really saying anything new anymore.
Obviously many people including myself have had some longstanding issues. Seems like most of them do NOT stem from any sort of event scheduling issues. Banana’s post struck a nerve and we all went off on a wild tangent. Again, myself included.
We all seem to get that events will overlap and most of us are okay with it. We all seem to like each other and want to play nice. We’re all pretty busy people what with SL and that pesky RL thing too. And we all recognize that (as Bela was aiming to highlight for you all) podcasting is NOT a universal community in SL. SL just happens to be a vehicle many podcasters and entrepreneurs are using to create their own brands. However we’re all willing to make the best of what we have in common and find some sense of community where we can. We all kinda like each other too, for that matter.
We’re all pretty smart ya’ll. And any of us who may have had a private conflict seem to be working them out on a private level. Sometimes clearing the air is good and I think a lot of us (including me, once again) got to let off some steam here. It’s all good. I’m just thinking maybe it’s time to let the poor dead horse go now.
April 19th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
I second Madison’s statement.
In fact I propose a Bury the Hatchet Party, but where and when could we have it?